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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptic zone podcast

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episode number 527 for the 25th of

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November 2018 richardsaunders here with

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you from Sydney Australia or just

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recently we had a weird situation where

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dirt and dust and particulate from the

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inland of Australia headed over Sydney

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it was like a red dust storm in a way

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coming up on this week's show Maynard

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Maynard spooky action more from skeptic

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on the Australian skeptics National

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Convention main our chats to consumer

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advocate Kate Brown now Kate was the

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emcee for our convention she used to be

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a choice magazine and she's also known

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as the guilty mum on the TV show the

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checkout which sadly is no longer being

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produced much to our chagrin

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nevertheless Kate will discuss the pink

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tax where women are charged more for the

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same product than men simply because

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they're women

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I guess or that the product happens to

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be colored pink fakery in chemist shop

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s-- marketing to children and her new

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job at finder comdata you may not also

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chats to dr. Veeam Sharma who was one of

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our presenters I chat to a woman who saw

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a big cat in Australia or was it

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something else

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and we hear from Iran cigar our reporter

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former president and new life member of

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Australian skeptics following that I

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chat to Brian Dunning from skeptoid the

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a popular podcast almost as popular as

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the skeptics and I think isn't that

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right Brian he's going to update us on

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his latest documentary called science

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friction and this documentary is about

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how scientists and skeptics are

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misrepresented in the media then to

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round off the show Maynard's back and

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he's going to be talking to fiona

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pattern from the reason party now this

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truncated interview abridged the

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highlights snippets of a much longer

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interview with Fiona Patton you can hear

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over at Maynard calm not a you now we've

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had Fiona pattern on the sceptic zone

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before many years ago she used to be

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with the sex party they changed their

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name to the reason party and we'll hear

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a little bit about her point of view

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stay tuned at the end of the show for

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more announcements from me renounce time

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for me to run down the stair where are

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those cats up in the studio door ah hen

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she's hiding at the top of the stairs

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come here now she's looking at me old

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goggle guide as they say it's time for

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me to run down the stairs past Henry

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another cat go to the freezer get out a

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frozen pizza put it in the oven and

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while I do all that I hope you enjoy the

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years may not spooky action at a

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well of course that you wouldn't have a

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conference without someone hosting the

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whole thing and you've been doing a

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great job Kate Brown oh thanks Mainers

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out and you do thing about ghosts which

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ghost problem maybe yeah well look we've

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discovered my Achilles heel I still like

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to dangle my hand oh and go who would

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imagine something's - but then again you

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life I still feel like I'm living on the

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edge if I put my feet over the edge of

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the bed you know you just never know

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what your favorite Skeptical think is

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obviously with the work on the checkout

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you Consumer Fraud really get your goat

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so to speak yeah I'm so what's the other

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afternoon about women's whoo I think you

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treatments that are targeted at women so

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much where do you stop because I mean I

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mean you yourself have pointed out stuff

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from like child care through to when you

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cosmetics and where do you stop really

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especially young women are a target you

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know they're they're encouraged to spend

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money on all kinds of stuff you know and

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ever heard is when you see something

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like a product or a services chocolate

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women can ask are the men doing it and

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necessary the old pink razor razor and

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chemists there were earplugs there were

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blue earplugs and pink earplugs but even

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better than that the pink earplugs for a

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dollar more expensive special lady lady

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earplugs that's amazing that you because

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comparative shopping would notice yeah

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had to take a photo actually cuz I

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couldn't I couldn't believe it but you

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you know what price pick with all your

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years of doing your consumer information

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you've got come on there's so many that

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because people just try it on and for

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them they mainly get through don't think

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a product I just think when you walk

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mind-blowing how many products are there

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looking legit that aren't and I look at

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post offices getting like that now to my

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kids we end up coming out with two teddy

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bears and a weird magnetic you know

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seen so I mean I'm disappointed I can't

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pull one out of my head but that speaks

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to how many guys it because like it's

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chemist is near a fairly intense

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Rescue Remedy and they've got the

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picture of the girl looking very

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stressed in the exam and I imagine that

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it would and that's right you know the

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stuff I've done around guilty mom

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marketing to the children my daughters

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me she needed lavender oil

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because of avenue oil calms you down I

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was like honey it doesn't and she got

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really cross with me because it smells

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physiologically does it no but she

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their does lavender oil lower the blood

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pressure sir hey yeah see that's Anna

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medical seat that's 14 years at medical

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what she she might rebel you might have

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be honest bracing myself for it and

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those people who might have to get up in

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funny stuff they are they're a tough

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crowd because they go I'm skeptical that

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humor is a little worried mannered cuz I

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the skeptics that their cynical Oh a few

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neckbeards out there - gotta watch out

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for them let me say this I've been very

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pleasantly surprised they applaud me

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every time I come out on the stage I

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haven't even done anything

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well the check out was widely beloved

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across this group of people I know it's

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and that's lovely I'm just worried

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they're gonna turn me into a monster I

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might come home tonight and expect to be

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applauded just for walking into the

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kitchen at 2:00 in the morning you know

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now you do some skepticism in your own

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bed bugger off and then applaud me yeah

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they're a great audience really lovely

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no idea what your next show might be you

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want to do another are you into another

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media excursion already as someone

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snapped are you be hosting Current

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Affair wouldn't your today tonight or

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something of you I've been on a Current

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yeah maybe maybe I'll take that celery

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yeah well I would I would love to be the

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next Tracey Grimshaw might I do a good

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line in outrage I reckon I could own it

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no is there a point where they drive the

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truck of cash up to this is like the

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commercial radio conundrum that I found

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myself in they drive the truck of cash

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up to your door and in return for that

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you do not have to care about what the

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content is like you can play Jimmy

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Barnes so I didn't know what caisson was

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until the mid 90s when I went on to a

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until I went there but some Triple J we

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never played it you see so you pull up

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and I was just playing this awful music

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and talking in between and I really

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couldn't do it for long could you do the

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the the check out version of that way go

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oh everything's just fine everything's

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great buy it pink roses great well I

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reckon on sort of playing a character

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being the guilty mama like sell the

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living daylights out of any old crap and

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modeling and holding up products and

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smiling cheesy ly actually I've just

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sort of my next future cream in the

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brand power lady Oh

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how does that work every time I see that

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there's probably generic versions which

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are cheaper even if you want that stuff

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how does that brand power get through

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can you explain how it works and why

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they persist with it

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yeah actually I'm so glad you asked me

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this because it's so interesting there

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is obviously it's obviously it's so

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successful there is a formula that they

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use an approach so if you've seen the

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ads they're very grainy they

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deliberately don't grade them so when

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beautiful and colorful it slow fire to

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look more real and it's deliberately low

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fire and the way that those usually it's

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women I think that present the products

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they you know they don't always speak

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the same way commercial voiceover people

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say sound like normal people they dress

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them down they make them super kind of

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approachable looking and it's to kind of

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create a short circuit when you're

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watching an ads and the music is a big

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part of that

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that's why I went down on it that's how

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they all start and because we spent a

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lot of time looking at them on the

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checkout the kind of model that kills

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him on that and it is a formula and it's

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been used all over the world it's not a

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uniquely Australian thing they're in a

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whole lot of market is the target

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specifically female mothers is it the

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guilty mother is that exactly what

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they're looking for

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it depends on the time it is a lot of

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them are around sort of you know

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products for the home a products for

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Canada bacterial stuff yes must clean

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yeah it's fascinating and I have a

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couple offshoots there's a Health

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Channel I've seen healthy living I think

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it's cold but this company that makes

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these ads they're there in India they're

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in South Africa they would make the

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specific content for doctor surgeries

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television - wouldn't it because that

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reminds me of what they've been doing

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they are yeah the doctor oh yeah yeah

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because they won't have you on there in

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subjecting over there and affirming

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everything we said it's making me feel

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good yeah doctor surgeries are the worst

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I've seen some of the worse because you

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can't go anywhere

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no you're trapped why not show some old

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episodes of hawai 500 I I enjoyed it

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when you could read a Woman's Day

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magazine from 1986 look the Queen's

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that I miss it well thank you for doing

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this all the great hosting you'll be

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doing over this week and where can we

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catch you online or find out more about

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you I just moved over finder docks on

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today you so I'm doing a whole bunch of

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words on them it's a comparison site not

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unlike choice but we look at services so

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health insurance credit cards home loans

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money shopping lifestyles so yeah we

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give you know we help people kind of

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break through the choice conundrum there

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are so many choices out there to make we

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kind of break things down and compare

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them tell people you know the kind of

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too long don't you know too long didn't

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read version of you know products and

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services you know I've only recently

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discovered well curse might mean my dad

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was my dad he's 90 he loves ringing up

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the health the people on my sake says

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he's me and then does investigations

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about my health insurance he's going you

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are covered for psychiatry and I'm go no

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I'm not that's really expensive

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he went yes you are I rang the woman the

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woman told me now he got psychology and

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psychiatry mixed up I there's about a

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300 dollar difference I think I reckon

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there is but yeah you know we were just

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chatting earlier life's pretty

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complicated we have to make a lot of

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choices that's why I get my naughty old

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debt no dear old dad to do it he's he's

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down with it he won't have any of this

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go to the internet stuff he wants to

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know over the phone and then cause he's

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Diffie me seeing tighter crowns around

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the street very slowly in front of you

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yeah bless that is there a role that you

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can only buy toyota crown if you're over

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75 I would think so too and what would

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be your recommendation for a hot car

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because you have to get around and do

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mom stuff often with a couple of kids

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and it's hard to get a car that looks

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kind of good that does that I'll make my

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car is shocking what we call will these

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scratches on the back of it there's all

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kinds of random toys and bits of food

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and it's a it's a biohazard so my dream

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would be to have I didn't even care what

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kind of car my not a comet is not

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covered in food all inside is why ok

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socks

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bits of hockey paraphernalia cut out

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everybody who can't see the floor of

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their car for all the mess there yeah

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I'm with you I'm with you what's a

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website where you're working now I find

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it calm donate you see there bye-bye

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thanks man I'm here with dr. Hoover got

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again dr. V Amsale now here we have an

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entire table of nutrition as a doctor

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what should I be going for what should I

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be avoiding it explain it to the

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listener well it's good you asked me in

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my opinion is a doctor if he asked me as

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via shower not to go chocolates I smash

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the Tim Tams looking good there's some

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double coated ones here but as a doctor

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I will say oh that the tabbouleh looks

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good the banana is good blueberries and

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the white breads like yeah it's not

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gonna do too much tell you some good

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vegetables and stuff in there yeah what

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about the fruit there am I just eating a

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whole bunch of sugar under another name

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no see he's a good thing about fruit

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right I mean there is a balanced

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approach towards eating fruit but the

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great thing about natural fruits is that

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they're packed with fiber it's only when

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you juice them and you take all that

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fiber out of them you're basically just

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treat having added sugar so fruit by

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itself yeah no no problems go for it

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yeah look what we just had Kate brown

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never said I was gonna ask her but

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what's the most difficult kid to have

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food to sell to kids it's still broccoli

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and the ones that are a bit bitter like

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that is that the hardest thing to get to

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eat kids to eat yet green leafy

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vegetables are always but broccoli

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there's something about it I think we've

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built up this mythology around it and we

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sometimes make it difficult I'm good

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dude look at how it's clever things like

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I coat them in chocolate or something

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we need kids off it maybe I don't know

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this is this is not me this is not dr. V

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I'm talking this is crazy of you look

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and it split this plane that don't I in

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today - it's great so look I'm gonna

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have a little bit of fruit a little bit

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of a sandwich and I'm gonna have a the

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double coated Tim Tim because it's not

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the kind of thing I ever have in my

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house people I think I've mentioned on

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the show before no chocolate no biscuits

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no ice cream no nothing and people say

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here no fun I will not have chocolate in

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my home so yeah I'm a hypocrite well

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it's day two of the skeptics convention

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skeptic on I'm with Tessa hello Tessa

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I you're in the audience I just did a

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panel hosted a panel about old-fashioned

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skepticism UFOs and ghosts and things

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like that and you brought something to

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my attention about cryptids or strange

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things in the the Australian countryside

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yes the the big cats that people claim

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to have seen I've actually seen one whoa

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oh that is I've seen a wallaby okay you

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better explain this I was um my family

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has a farm near national park so I used

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to go bushwalking a lot axiom what of

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kangaroos the occasional wallaby do I

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see them as often they're a lot higher

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another's I was Bush walking and I saw

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something out of the corner of my eye

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and I turned to look at it and for a

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couple of seconds it was absolutely a

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panther it was I I saw it I know what I

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saw you know it was it was huge it was

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the was running away from me so it was

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the the hindquarters and the tail and

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and I kept I said was staring at it and

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I remembered suddenly that the the best

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explanation that I'd heard was that

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there were Wallabies that people have

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missed seen them and as soon as that

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popped into my mind I suddenly saw it

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completely differently and what had

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absolutely been a big cat was just as

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absolutely a wallaby and what had looked

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huge was just the the largest cross

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section of a wallaby because although

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although bolt is in their hind legs

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and the the big front of the cat that I

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just assumed was there I could see it

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wasn't and so you're not surprised then

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when people square black and blue

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they've seen a big cat oh absolutely not

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no and I have heard that there were

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escapes back in the day from the old

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took traveling circuses it's a story

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I've heard too young so probably once or

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twice people had to see in big cats but

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not anymore there's not a breeding

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population but and there's not a lot of

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traveling circuses with big cats I don't

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know not anymore and have you been

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enjoying the conference so far yeah it's

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my first time oh well but um it's been a

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lot of fun the speakers have been very

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interesting and I'll probably be back

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next time well I certainly hope so

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thank you very much look one of the

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things that will they do here at skeptic

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on is they they honor the skeptics have

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done work in the community and for the

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group over the years and of course

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someone who's spoken to many times the

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president I ran to get how I even

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congratulations on being a life member

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is that but life member yes sir first of

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all I'm not the president I'm sorry

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I'm used to saying prayers and snapping

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and doing the salute and everything and

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I'm just getting used to doing that for

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Ally Thea but she just goes get out you

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should leave he does this they used to

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do must be the perfect you put she puts

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a foot on my foot and then pushes me

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backwards and it's is that something all

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the presidents of skip I was always

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trying to trying to put my foot behind

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your foot and push you well it's the

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same effect I fall down it's a great

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thing you Steve you skeptics and got

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that thing and pushing me to the floor

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but now you don't have to do that

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anymore because you you're resting

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you've been put out the pasture your for

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The Skeptical glue factory I'm yeah well

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I'd like to think of myself as a

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backbencher yes so what does being a

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life member entirely do to get like free

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drinks or anything or a chocolate bar

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essentially I'm just a member for life

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without having to pay for it that's the

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that's the technical side but I think

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for me the reason I was so blown away is

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because it's a mark of respect it's an

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honor bestowed bestowed on me by people

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who

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I really appreciated in Maya and and

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they recognized things about that I've

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done over the past probably 16 years

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since I've been the committee but in

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particular over the last nine years as

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president most of that time they

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recognized my effort they recognized my

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achievements and I think they've

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recognized our achievements as a

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committee during that time what was the

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most difficult phase of being president

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there were what was the crisis in which

537
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you had to land the plane in the

538
00:20:40,650 --> 00:20:38,890
crosswind in the rain in the you know

539
00:20:43,590 --> 00:20:40,660
when you really earned your money that

540
00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:43,600
you aren't paid I don't think I think

541
00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:45,610
them the main thing that I've always

542
00:20:49,890 --> 00:20:47,770
tried to do is to actually avoid those

543
00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:49,900
things I so I don't think I can't say

544
00:20:52,830 --> 00:20:51,730
that there's been any moment where I

545
00:20:56,100 --> 00:20:52,840
thought things were going to be

546
00:21:00,320 --> 00:20:56,110
particularly bad or was worried about

547
00:21:03,660 --> 00:21:00,330
the organization there's been a lot of

548
00:21:06,990 --> 00:21:03,670
brouhaha in America in particular the

549
00:21:09,360 --> 00:21:07,000
u.s. skeptical community that I think

550
00:21:11,700 --> 00:21:09,370
we've managed to avoid now there's been

551
00:21:12,930 --> 00:21:11,710
some there's always you know you deal

552
00:21:15,540 --> 00:21:12,940
with people there's always a bit of

553
00:21:17,550 --> 00:21:15,550
politics and avoiding that being a major

554
00:21:20,090 --> 00:21:17,560
issue and focusing on what's important

555
00:21:22,290 --> 00:21:20,100
has been something that I've been really

556
00:21:24,270 --> 00:21:22,300
focusing on and it's been very important

557
00:21:26,490 --> 00:21:24,280
to me throughout this this time and I

558
00:21:28,290 --> 00:21:26,500
think it's time I've done we have done

559
00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:28,300
very well in that respect because we

560
00:21:33,300 --> 00:21:30,850
have avoided those major dramas well

561
00:21:34,710 --> 00:21:33,310
congratulations and I ran and I tried to

562
00:21:36,390 --> 00:21:34,720
get a chat with Martin Headley of course

563
00:21:38,010 --> 00:21:36,400
also has made a life member and he

564
00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:38,020
wouldn't talk he's had quite a humble

565
00:21:41,190 --> 00:21:39,010
guy there I just want if you could

566
00:21:44,370 --> 00:21:41,200
briefly speak as to why Martin received

567
00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:44,380
a life membership well Martin has been

568
00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:46,930
on the committee for about 20 years now

569
00:21:52,410 --> 00:21:49,810
if I remember correctly was so before me

570
00:21:54,330 --> 00:21:52,420
and Martin has actually though there was

571
00:21:56,130 --> 00:21:54,340
a the word issues within the sceptical

572
00:21:59,070 --> 00:21:56,140
within the committee within the

573
00:22:02,310 --> 00:21:59,080
skeptical community that were rather

574
00:22:03,750 --> 00:22:02,320
very first days that I joined were major

575
00:22:05,970 --> 00:22:03,760
issues that really threatened the

576
00:22:08,610 --> 00:22:05,980
committee and he stepped into the breach

577
00:22:10,230 --> 00:22:08,620
became president dealt with things very

578
00:22:12,210 --> 00:22:10,240
well

579
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:12,220
he's been the treasurer for a very long

580
00:22:17,279 --> 00:22:15,610
time so he's been a wonderful

581
00:22:19,860 --> 00:22:17,289
contributor to the committee he has

582
00:22:21,570 --> 00:22:19,870
actually helped in ways that I you know

583
00:22:23,820 --> 00:22:21,580
I try to work these things he annually

584
00:22:26,009 --> 00:22:23,830
stepped into the breach when things did

585
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:26,019
go bad and helped I solved out the

586
00:22:30,210 --> 00:22:28,090
problems but also he's a great legal

587
00:22:31,620 --> 00:22:30,220
mind and he's you know we always have

588
00:22:33,210 --> 00:22:31,630
legal issues that we need to deal with

589
00:22:34,649 --> 00:22:33,220
they're not lawsuit so anything and that

590
00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:34,659
but there's you know considerations that

591
00:22:38,850 --> 00:22:37,330
we have to take into account and he's

592
00:22:40,649 --> 00:22:38,860
always been a great servant for the

593
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:40,659
skeptical community at large not just at

594
00:22:45,120 --> 00:22:42,610
their skeptical not just to Australian

595
00:22:47,039 --> 00:22:45,130
skeptics in that respect so he's it's a

596
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:47,049
well deserved award for him and what's

597
00:22:50,190 --> 00:22:48,730
it like to be a bit more relaxed at one

598
00:22:52,710 --> 00:22:50,200
of these conferences and be a little bit

599
00:22:54,360 --> 00:22:52,720
more of a participant in the conference

600
00:22:56,340 --> 00:22:54,370
rather than one of the big organizers

601
00:22:57,629 --> 00:22:56,350
well so first of all I've in the last

602
00:23:01,019 --> 00:22:57,639
couple of months I've joined the

603
00:23:02,820 --> 00:23:01,029
organising committee you got some time

604
00:23:04,230 --> 00:23:02,830
to burn now yeah actually it's just

605
00:23:05,970 --> 00:23:04,240
something to do with my job that allows

606
00:23:07,860 --> 00:23:05,980
me gives me that freedom it's a job that

607
00:23:10,500 --> 00:23:07,870
that I can't take home so I have the

608
00:23:12,149 --> 00:23:10,510
evenings to myself and I take care of

609
00:23:14,039 --> 00:23:12,159
you know some things and I'm you know

610
00:23:16,649 --> 00:23:14,049
I've helped with whatever I can and also

611
00:23:18,750 --> 00:23:16,659
take take care of the video and audio

612
00:23:20,190 --> 00:23:18,760
recordings so everything will be all

613
00:23:22,620 --> 00:23:20,200
recorded so that's why I'm in the

614
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:22,630
control room and you don't see me and

615
00:23:26,639 --> 00:23:24,250
what do you think will be the upcoming

616
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:26,649
big skeptical issues in the coming year

617
00:23:29,190 --> 00:23:27,850
or so is there something that's sort of

618
00:23:32,159 --> 00:23:29,200
rising and said you're going yeah this

619
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:32,169
could be something I I can't help think

620
00:23:35,820 --> 00:23:33,730
that we are we going to have to tackle

621
00:23:39,060 --> 00:23:35,830
climate change more strongly as a

622
00:23:41,430 --> 00:23:39,070
community because the it's a political

623
00:23:45,419 --> 00:23:41,440
issue but it should be it's a scientific

624
00:23:47,310 --> 00:23:45,429
issue it's a huge threat to the world to

625
00:23:49,110 --> 00:23:47,320
humanity not to Dumanis it to the world

626
00:23:50,159 --> 00:23:49,120
almost is it like the world is gonna be

627
00:23:52,500 --> 00:23:50,169
fine

628
00:23:54,629 --> 00:23:52,510
but we are killing the biosphere we're

629
00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:54,639
killing animals at an unprecedented rate

630
00:23:59,940 --> 00:23:57,250
and we are also making life very very

631
00:24:01,769 --> 00:23:59,950
hard for mostly the poorest of society

632
00:24:03,180 --> 00:24:01,779
around the world and that is I think

633
00:24:04,950 --> 00:24:03,190
something that as a skeptical community

634
00:24:05,970 --> 00:24:04,960
we're going to have to do something

635
00:24:07,470 --> 00:24:05,980
about we're going to have to get

636
00:24:09,330 --> 00:24:07,480
involved think surrounding

637
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:09,340
congratulations once again there's yet

638
00:24:27,900 --> 00:24:25,230
Time Traveller's cursed paintings

639
00:24:30,299 --> 00:24:27,910
ghostly apparitions mysterious creatures

640
00:24:32,940 --> 00:24:30,309
the world is filled with incredible and

641
00:24:34,980 --> 00:24:32,950
seemingly inexplicable stories but often

642
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:34,990
things are not what they seem

643
00:24:39,570 --> 00:24:37,210
if you are like me and you too want to

644
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:39,580
learn how to discern fact from fiction I

645
00:24:45,180 --> 00:24:41,890
invite you to join me every two weeks on

646
00:24:47,130 --> 00:24:45,190
my youtube channel i am massimo Polydor

647
00:24:49,770 --> 00:24:47,140
oh and we'll investigate together and

648
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:49,780
discover the truth behind many strangers

649
00:24:56,730 --> 00:24:56,170
stories to join massimo Polidoro every

650
00:24:59,820 --> 00:24:56,740
two weeks

651
00:25:02,940 --> 00:24:59,830
add to youtube and look for stranger

652
00:25:02,950 --> 00:25:12,300
[Music]

653
00:25:17,230 --> 00:25:15,430
joining me now all the way from Bend in

654
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:17,240
Oregon a beautiful place it's my old

655
00:25:22,210 --> 00:25:19,490
friend Brian Dunning hello Brian hello

656
00:25:24,910 --> 00:25:22,220
Richard how are you sir I'm very well

657
00:25:26,830 --> 00:25:24,920
indeed very well and I thought I'd give

658
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:26,840
you a call firstly to congratulate you

659
00:25:38,110 --> 00:25:34,010
on 650 episodes of skeptoid thank you

660
00:25:39,820 --> 00:25:38,120
very much yes it is quite its it blows

661
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:39,830
me away every time I think of it and

662
00:25:47,530 --> 00:25:41,810
people ask me hey do you remember that

663
00:25:49,540 --> 00:25:47,540
episode on this I go no well after 650

664
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:49,550
episodes I can well understand that do

665
00:25:55,450 --> 00:25:52,970
you ever go back and just reel issen to

666
00:25:57,580 --> 00:25:55,460
old episodes to it to either remind

667
00:25:59,980 --> 00:25:57,590
yourself or do research I find myself

668
00:26:02,500 --> 00:25:59,990
doing that not to do research but

669
00:26:03,850 --> 00:26:02,510
sometimes when I'm Carl I'll put on you

670
00:26:06,340 --> 00:26:03,860
know the premium feed that has all of

671
00:26:08,710 --> 00:26:06,350
them in there and just put it on random

672
00:26:10,120 --> 00:26:08,720
shuffle or something and my gosh I

673
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:10,130
there's episodes that I'd completely

674
00:26:14,950 --> 00:26:12,290
forgotten about that that are just

675
00:26:17,110 --> 00:26:14,960
fascinating and some that I remember oh

676
00:26:19,330 --> 00:26:17,120
yeah this was a good one I and listen to

677
00:26:21,580 --> 00:26:19,340
it but I can't remember the ending what

678
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:21,590
the conclusion is so I mean I feel like

679
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:23,930
I'm an audience member listening for the

680
00:26:29,170 --> 00:26:26,650
first time in a lot of cases it's fun

681
00:26:31,540 --> 00:26:29,180
now I've told you this before but for

682
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:31,550
the benefit of listeners when my mother

683
00:26:35,410 --> 00:26:33,530
some years ago was undergoing

684
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:35,420
chemotherapy and was sitting there in a

685
00:26:41,350 --> 00:26:39,170
chair with a in the hospital and she was

686
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:41,360
of the age where she wasn't really up on

687
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:44,330
technology which was fine and I gave her

688
00:26:48,220 --> 00:26:46,610
a copy of one of the skeptoid books I

689
00:26:49,900 --> 00:26:48,230
can't remember which one now of course

690
00:26:52,870 --> 00:26:49,910
and she sat there while the chemo was

691
00:26:54,370 --> 00:26:52,880
going in and just poured through the

692
00:26:57,120 --> 00:26:54,380
book and and she looked at me and she

693
00:27:00,070 --> 00:26:57,130
said wow this guy is really interesting

694
00:27:02,140 --> 00:27:00,080
well you should qualify that she'd never

695
00:27:05,970 --> 00:27:02,150
met me in person yet that's true

696
00:27:09,130 --> 00:27:05,980
actually and as you say that the books

697
00:27:11,410 --> 00:27:09,140
for people who might not listen to

698
00:27:13,660 --> 00:27:11,420
podcast but still maybe sit on the train

699
00:27:16,060 --> 00:27:13,670
or do something like that and like to

700
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:16,070
thumb through books which is still most

701
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:18,770
people I mean I I still when I when I'm

702
00:27:22,990 --> 00:27:21,530
talking to a group or something most of

703
00:27:23,919 --> 00:27:23,000
the people in there don't listen to

704
00:27:25,690 --> 00:27:23,929
podcast I would

705
00:27:27,940 --> 00:27:25,700
increasing number are that numbers

706
00:27:30,399 --> 00:27:27,950
always growing and that's great but

707
00:27:31,989 --> 00:27:30,409
there's still people who have heard of

708
00:27:34,539 --> 00:27:31,999
them know what they are but don't listen

709
00:27:36,310 --> 00:27:34,549
or there's still the people who don't

710
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:36,320
have any idea what they are that you

711
00:27:42,220 --> 00:27:38,090
know maybe they think it's something to

712
00:27:44,139 --> 00:27:42,230
do well I don't have an iPod or who

713
00:27:46,210 --> 00:27:44,149
knows like that so there's the books of

714
00:27:48,700 --> 00:27:46,220
course as a podcast but more and more

715
00:27:50,950 --> 00:27:48,710
you're doing public appearances public

716
00:27:52,659 --> 00:27:50,960
talks how's that going it's you know

717
00:27:57,279 --> 00:27:52,669
it's it's really the funnest thing that

718
00:27:59,639 --> 00:27:57,289
I do I've got some fairly regular gigs

719
00:28:01,840 --> 00:27:59,649
now where I go to certain universities

720
00:28:03,999 --> 00:28:01,850
same time every year and meet with the

721
00:28:05,470 --> 00:28:04,009
same class and well it's a different

722
00:28:08,049 --> 00:28:05,480
class of students but it's the same

723
00:28:12,340 --> 00:28:08,059
class I've got four or five of those

724
00:28:14,259 --> 00:28:12,350
going now those are always fun even

725
00:28:16,180 --> 00:28:14,269
local stuff just meeting with the local

726
00:28:18,249 --> 00:28:16,190
skeptics in the pub group with the same

727
00:28:21,430 --> 00:28:18,259
people we see each month those are

728
00:28:24,369 --> 00:28:21,440
always fun and whenever I whenever I'm

729
00:28:26,369 --> 00:28:24,379
on a you know vacation or a trip for

730
00:28:29,619 --> 00:28:26,379
some other purpose or anything I always

731
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:29,629
try to contact whatever the the local

732
00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:31,610
skeptics group is there or something and

733
00:28:35,889 --> 00:28:33,289
say hey any chance we could get together

734
00:28:38,769 --> 00:28:35,899
a meeting or something whenever that

735
00:28:42,639 --> 00:28:38,779
works it's fun I love meeting meeting

736
00:28:45,989 --> 00:28:42,649
new sceptical folks it is I totally

737
00:28:49,539 --> 00:28:45,999
agree i well remember your talk I

738
00:28:50,980 --> 00:28:49,549
attended it at DragonCon probably 10

739
00:28:52,629 --> 00:28:50,990
years ago now which was about the

740
00:28:54,220 --> 00:28:52,639
missing Russian cosmonauts it's an

741
00:28:56,109 --> 00:28:54,230
evergreen isn't it things like that it's

742
00:28:58,389 --> 00:28:56,119
always interesting yeah in fact I just

743
00:29:00,009 --> 00:28:58,399
gave that talk about a week ago

744
00:29:02,259 --> 00:29:00,019
throughout to a local group right here

745
00:29:04,509 --> 00:29:02,269
in town just you know a small group we

746
00:29:08,499 --> 00:29:04,519
had like 30 people in the room it was at

747
00:29:10,749 --> 00:29:08,509
a little local brewery and it was the

748
00:29:12,730 --> 00:29:10,759
neat thing is it was a semi-private room

749
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:12,740
right so the rest of the the rest of the

750
00:29:16,299 --> 00:29:14,570
brew pub is open and so there's just

751
00:29:18,489 --> 00:29:16,309
regular customers and they're going what

752
00:29:21,159 --> 00:29:18,499
the heck is this and there was always

753
00:29:22,899 --> 00:29:21,169
the whole time there was always at least

754
00:29:24,989 --> 00:29:22,909
10 of them standing there in the back of

755
00:29:28,180 --> 00:29:24,999
the room with their drink in their hand

756
00:29:30,879 --> 00:29:28,190
hearing these strange recordings of

757
00:29:34,140 --> 00:29:30,889
Soviet cosmonauts in space come what is

758
00:29:35,490 --> 00:29:34,150
going on in there and and and you

759
00:29:37,860 --> 00:29:35,500
you you get to meet a couple of them and

760
00:29:39,300 --> 00:29:37,870
talk with him afterwards well I that is

761
00:29:41,220 --> 00:29:39,310
a good talk though I mean I was

762
00:29:44,610 --> 00:29:41,230
fascinated when I heard it on skeptoid

763
00:29:46,830 --> 00:29:44,620
but to see it live because you provide

764
00:29:48,510 --> 00:29:46,840
extra illustrations that's it that's a

765
00:29:50,250 --> 00:29:48,520
great talk but you've got a swag of

766
00:29:52,170 --> 00:29:50,260
those sort of talks I imagine yeah yeah

767
00:29:54,780 --> 00:29:52,180
half a dozen or half a dozen that I give

768
00:29:58,440 --> 00:29:54,790
regularly and you know more more like 10

769
00:30:01,740 --> 00:29:58,450
20 that I have in the in the bag now

770
00:30:05,130 --> 00:30:01,750
let's briefly touch on the movie the

771
00:30:06,750 --> 00:30:05,140
documentary science friction which I've

772
00:30:10,130 --> 00:30:06,760
been hearing about for a little while

773
00:30:12,660 --> 00:30:10,140
that's well underway it is well underway

774
00:30:14,550 --> 00:30:12,670
Emory Emory who's the director you just

775
00:30:18,570 --> 00:30:14,560
got in fact he's on the plane right now

776
00:30:21,350 --> 00:30:18,580
flying back from London we did about I

777
00:30:23,610 --> 00:30:21,360
think we did five interviews in London

778
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:23,620
he so he was travelling around there

779
00:30:28,110 --> 00:30:26,530
with a camera crew for a week as soon as

780
00:30:30,420 --> 00:30:28,120
he's got back he's got a couple of days

781
00:30:31,980 --> 00:30:30,430
to rest up and get back into the Pacific

782
00:30:36,890 --> 00:30:31,990
time zone because we're sending him down

783
00:30:39,570 --> 00:30:36,900
to the Los Angeles area to do a couple

784
00:30:41,940 --> 00:30:39,580
two down there and then I think swinging

785
00:30:44,430 --> 00:30:41,950
up through San Francisco so yeah that's

786
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:44,440
a this is kind of the the busiest time

787
00:30:50,580 --> 00:30:47,770
right now that we've had since we've

788
00:30:52,410 --> 00:30:50,590
been in production so it's a lot of

789
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:52,420
craziness and a lot of fun and some

790
00:30:57,210 --> 00:30:55,450
amazing amazing stories I'm really

791
00:30:59,220 --> 00:30:57,220
looking forward to it and just briefly

792
00:31:02,310 --> 00:30:59,230
for those folks who may not know this is

793
00:31:06,260 --> 00:31:02,320
a documentary outlining how scientists

794
00:31:08,100 --> 00:31:06,270
and maybe you skeptical people like us

795
00:31:09,330 --> 00:31:08,110
misrepresented in interviews in the

796
00:31:11,730 --> 00:31:09,340
media yeah

797
00:31:14,130 --> 00:31:11,740
sometimes it's it's as bad as being

798
00:31:16,110 --> 00:31:14,140
deliberately having your sentence be

799
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:16,120
edited to make it sound like you said

800
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:17,770
something opposite of what you said

801
00:31:22,830 --> 00:31:19,930
we've got cases that are as blatant as

802
00:31:25,230 --> 00:31:22,840
that and and kind of the whole spectrum

803
00:31:26,690 --> 00:31:25,240
all the way to some of these interviews

804
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:26,700
were doing right now or with

805
00:31:31,260 --> 00:31:29,530
volcanologists who no matter what they

806
00:31:33,180 --> 00:31:31,270
say it gets reported that the

807
00:31:34,830 --> 00:31:33,190
Yellowstone supervolcano was going to

808
00:31:38,190 --> 00:31:34,840
explode and kill us all any day now

809
00:31:42,090 --> 00:31:38,200
right and that just sends them up on

810
00:31:44,850 --> 00:31:42,100
their ear it's it's so common it's so

811
00:31:47,820 --> 00:31:44,860
common and it's it's high time that we

812
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:47,830
put some some information out there

813
00:31:53,850 --> 00:31:50,610
to advise people that hey you are being

814
00:31:56,279 --> 00:31:53,860
lied to by the media although not in a

815
00:31:58,169 --> 00:31:56,289
Trump fake news kind of way we're saying

816
00:32:00,720 --> 00:31:58,179
it and hey they're trying to make this

817
00:32:03,299 --> 00:32:00,730
sensationalist programming by tweaking

818
00:32:05,789 --> 00:32:03,309
tweaking what scientists say they they

819
00:32:08,539 --> 00:32:05,799
use the leverage they leverage the

820
00:32:10,919 --> 00:32:08,549
reputations that these scientists have

821
00:32:14,070 --> 00:32:10,929
lending that credibility to their

822
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:14,080
material and it ends up being total BS

823
00:32:18,539 --> 00:32:16,690
it ends up being total BS and I

824
00:32:19,710 --> 00:32:18,549
something that's happened to me Brian

825
00:32:22,860 --> 00:32:19,720
has probably happened to you too which

826
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:22,870
is akin to this in a way is I'll be

827
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:26,850
invited to go on a chat show or a some

828
00:32:32,490 --> 00:32:30,850
morning interview show and I turn up at

829
00:32:35,490 --> 00:32:32,500
the studio and suddenly standing next to

830
00:32:37,230 --> 00:32:35,500
me is X Y Zed the psychic who's there to

831
00:32:39,149 --> 00:32:37,240
put the other side and I go off a

832
00:32:41,639 --> 00:32:39,159
heaven's sake

833
00:32:47,310 --> 00:32:41,649
this idea that they can't have a skeptic

834
00:32:51,330 --> 00:32:47,320
on without a psychic yeah that hasn't

835
00:32:53,100 --> 00:32:51,340
happened to me typically when when I

836
00:32:55,399 --> 00:32:53,110
smell something that sounds like they

837
00:32:58,740 --> 00:32:55,409
want to have a debate or you know a

838
00:33:01,289 --> 00:32:58,750
skeptic and a believer or have show both

839
00:33:02,970 --> 00:33:01,299
sides I typically just don't don't go

840
00:33:05,009 --> 00:33:02,980
don't participate in that because I know

841
00:33:07,139 --> 00:33:05,019
how those are gonna go well our good

842
00:33:08,549 --> 00:33:07,149
friend dr. Richie dr. Rachel Dunlop

843
00:33:10,500 --> 00:33:08,559
who's currently living in the United

844
00:33:12,750 --> 00:33:10,510
States that's her been her attitude now

845
00:33:15,690 --> 00:33:12,760
for many years if she thinks that it's

846
00:33:17,310 --> 00:33:15,700
going to be her against an anti-vaxxer

847
00:33:19,259 --> 00:33:17,320
for example she just won't do it

848
00:33:21,269 --> 00:33:19,269
she'll point-blank refused because she

849
00:33:23,129 --> 00:33:21,279
knows that's just a waste of time it

850
00:33:24,990 --> 00:33:23,139
might be look good for the media or the

851
00:33:29,159 --> 00:33:25,000
TV channel involved but it certainly

852
00:33:31,740 --> 00:33:29,169
doesn't help our cause no in fact we all

853
00:33:33,810 --> 00:33:31,750
know from experience that the way you're

854
00:33:36,659 --> 00:33:33,820
going to be edited is to make the

855
00:33:38,549 --> 00:33:36,669
skeptic look like the idiot and to make

856
00:33:40,889 --> 00:33:38,559
the paranormal person or whatever it is

857
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:40,899
the anti-vaccine

858
00:33:44,789 --> 00:33:42,850
they're going to be given the high moral

859
00:33:47,430 --> 00:33:44,799
ground you know they're there they've

860
00:33:49,470 --> 00:33:47,440
got the open mind and and the skeptic is

861
00:33:51,330 --> 00:33:49,480
going to be the one who's you know

862
00:33:53,519 --> 00:33:51,340
always trying to throw up throw a wet

863
00:33:55,139 --> 00:33:53,529
blanket on everything they just they

864
00:33:58,010 --> 00:33:55,149
just try to portray the skeptical

865
00:34:00,989 --> 00:33:58,020
perspective as as negatively as possible

866
00:34:04,139 --> 00:34:00,999
or it's portrayed as

867
00:34:07,409 --> 00:34:04,149
crackpot perspective yeah or the

868
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:07,419
crackpot perspective and and certainly

869
00:34:13,409 --> 00:34:10,690
it's the it's the perspective that that

870
00:34:15,180 --> 00:34:13,419
you can lay all the conspiratorial

871
00:34:17,430 --> 00:34:15,190
charges against well of course he's

872
00:34:21,809 --> 00:34:17,440
saying that because he gets grant money

873
00:34:23,579 --> 00:34:21,819
or you know all of these yeah well Brian

874
00:34:26,249 --> 00:34:23,589
I take my hat off to you you've got a

875
00:34:28,589 --> 00:34:26,259
difficult job ahead putting all that

876
00:34:29,369 --> 00:34:28,599
together but it enjoyable at the same

877
00:34:33,389 --> 00:34:29,379
time I hope

878
00:34:35,369 --> 00:34:33,399
and what using your crystal ball and

879
00:34:37,499 --> 00:34:35,379
gazing into the future when might that

880
00:34:39,509 --> 00:34:37,509
be available when might that be finished

881
00:34:41,730 --> 00:34:39,519
so I I do think we're gonna have it done

882
00:34:43,379 --> 00:34:41,740
in 2019 it's not going to be the first

883
00:34:46,319 --> 00:34:43,389
half of the year but sometimes I think

884
00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:46,329
in the latter half of the year but since

885
00:34:51,779 --> 00:34:50,169
this is a theatrical documentary like

886
00:34:53,249 --> 00:34:51,789
yeah I kind of need to talk a little bit

887
00:34:55,220 --> 00:34:53,259
about how this project is structured

888
00:34:57,779 --> 00:34:55,230
because it's different from most films

889
00:35:00,380 --> 00:34:57,789
typically what we do here at skeptoid

890
00:35:02,730 --> 00:35:00,390
media making these educational films

891
00:35:05,549 --> 00:35:02,740
there's no there's no commercial angle

892
00:35:07,380 --> 00:35:05,559
to them at all we make educational films

893
00:35:09,269 --> 00:35:07,390
we make educational materials that go

894
00:35:11,249 --> 00:35:09,279
along with them they're funded by

895
00:35:12,779 --> 00:35:11,259
private grants and donations by people

896
00:35:14,759 --> 00:35:12,789
who believe in the importance of this

897
00:35:17,460 --> 00:35:14,769
material and we then give them out to

898
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:17,470
schools now for this one we wanted to

899
00:35:22,740 --> 00:35:19,210
reach a much wider audience and we

900
00:35:24,749 --> 00:35:22,750
wanted to you know really shout through

901
00:35:27,150 --> 00:35:24,759
the trumpet here that this kind of thing

902
00:35:28,980 --> 00:35:27,160
is going on to the lay people out there

903
00:35:30,900 --> 00:35:28,990
who may not be aware of it that the

904
00:35:33,240 --> 00:35:30,910
people who turn on the TV and they may

905
00:35:37,829 --> 00:35:33,250
think that Oh ancient aliens are real

906
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:37,839
after all so we are doing it we're

907
00:35:41,099 --> 00:35:39,490
killing two birds with one stone we're

908
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:41,109
making it an educational film that's

909
00:35:44,130 --> 00:35:42,490
going to have all of the educational

910
00:35:46,470 --> 00:35:44,140
materials and be given to teachers and

911
00:35:48,630 --> 00:35:46,480
everything yes we're doing that but

912
00:35:50,730 --> 00:35:48,640
we're also going to take it and get a

913
00:35:51,839 --> 00:35:50,740
commercial distribution deal for it now

914
00:35:54,140 --> 00:35:51,849
it's probably going to be in very

915
00:35:56,609 --> 00:35:54,150
limited release in theaters most likely

916
00:35:58,589 --> 00:35:56,619
although we're gonna do our best but

917
00:36:00,120 --> 00:35:58,599
it'll at least get into Netflix and

918
00:36:02,789 --> 00:36:00,130
Amazon Prime and all of that stuff

919
00:36:04,019 --> 00:36:02,799
that's that's a that's a slam dunk so

920
00:36:05,759 --> 00:36:04,029
that's the first time that we're gonna

921
00:36:08,339 --> 00:36:05,769
have a project that's both commercial

922
00:36:10,950 --> 00:36:08,349
and nonprofit which is kind of an odd

923
00:36:13,550 --> 00:36:10,960
animal so what we're doing is we're

924
00:36:15,470 --> 00:36:13,560
still crowdfunding and funding

925
00:36:18,740 --> 00:36:15,480
our donors and our foundations who

926
00:36:19,820 --> 00:36:18,750
support us were funding the production

927
00:36:22,550 --> 00:36:19,830
of the film ourself

928
00:36:24,890 --> 00:36:22,560
and then the balance of it which goes to

929
00:36:27,140 --> 00:36:24,900
fund the distribution is going to come

930
00:36:29,810 --> 00:36:27,150
from a distributor later on down the

931
00:36:32,630 --> 00:36:29,820
road it may take some time for that deal

932
00:36:34,100 --> 00:36:32,640
to fall into place so I can't promise

933
00:36:35,750 --> 00:36:34,110
when it's going to be available for the

934
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:35,760
general public to see but it should at

935
00:36:40,610 --> 00:36:37,890
least be available through our channels

936
00:36:42,410 --> 00:36:40,620
in 2019 now better this is all kind of

937
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:42,420
crystal ball prognosticating so don't

938
00:36:45,340 --> 00:36:44,370
hold me to any of that but that's that's

939
00:36:48,260 --> 00:36:45,350
what we're shooting for

940
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:48,270
no good things come to those who wait I

941
00:36:51,740 --> 00:36:50,370
suppose we can say if people want to

942
00:36:54,980 --> 00:36:51,750
help this project which is a very

943
00:36:57,770 --> 00:36:54,990
worthwhile project because I've been

944
00:37:00,860 --> 00:36:57,780
stung by this sort of thing to an extent

945
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:00,870
myself how can people help yeah you want

946
00:37:08,330 --> 00:37:04,970
to come to science friction dot TV and

947
00:37:10,790 --> 00:37:08,340
absolutely that's the place to to donate

948
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:10,800
to the film you get your name in the

949
00:37:15,020 --> 00:37:12,810
credits if you want to you can even get

950
00:37:16,790 --> 00:37:15,030
an executive producer credit an

951
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:16,800
associate producer credit that's not

952
00:37:21,980 --> 00:37:18,690
only a legitimate screen credit but it

953
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:21,990
puts you into IMDB each film we do

954
00:37:25,790 --> 00:37:23,490
they've always got someone who thinks

955
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:25,800
hey that sounds like a lot of fun buy

956
00:37:29,270 --> 00:37:27,210
your way into the film industry it's

957
00:37:31,220 --> 00:37:29,280
kind of a neat way to do it but if

958
00:37:34,130 --> 00:37:31,230
anyone's donation is welcome every

959
00:37:35,510 --> 00:37:34,140
little bit helps that's gonna every

960
00:37:37,550 --> 00:37:35,520
donation is going to pay for more

961
00:37:39,860 --> 00:37:37,560
interviews more better stories from

962
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:39,870
these scientists and the more better

963
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:41,490
stories we collect the better a

964
00:37:44,450 --> 00:37:42,930
distribution deal we're going to get

965
00:37:47,330 --> 00:37:44,460
because the more exciting our film is

966
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:47,340
going to be but also just there on the

967
00:37:51,530 --> 00:37:50,130
webpage at science fiction TV you can

968
00:37:53,570 --> 00:37:51,540
see a trailer that shows some of the

969
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:53,580
stories we're telling what you most want

970
00:37:57,590 --> 00:37:55,530
to do is sign up on the email list

971
00:37:59,750 --> 00:37:57,600
because that's where I'm sending out all

972
00:38:02,270 --> 00:37:59,760
the production updates and some of the

973
00:38:04,250 --> 00:38:02,280
stories that we're getting kind of as we

974
00:38:07,460 --> 00:38:04,260
get them from scientists and and these

975
00:38:08,900 --> 00:38:07,470
are great stories so that's that's a

976
00:38:10,340 --> 00:38:08,910
really fun way to hiraman of course you

977
00:38:14,230 --> 00:38:10,350
can unsubscribe if you don't like the

978
00:38:17,090 --> 00:38:14,240
emails science friction TV check it out

979
00:38:19,010 --> 00:38:17,100
okay link in this week's show notes

980
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:19,020
folks Brian I don't have to do that to

981
00:38:22,010 --> 00:38:21,210
get on IMDB I'm there already I thought

982
00:38:23,610 --> 00:38:22,020
I just mentioned that

983
00:38:28,150 --> 00:38:23,620
yes you're very tough

984
00:38:30,220 --> 00:38:28,160
but but what I haven't got is 650

985
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:30,230
episodes up of the skeptics are not yet

986
00:38:34,900 --> 00:38:32,210
I mean I'm heading in that direction so

987
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:34,910
once again congratulations on that thank

988
00:38:38,290 --> 00:38:36,290
you very much yes your show is very

989
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:38,300
quaint it's got a nice manageable number

990
00:38:44,770 --> 00:38:43,010
yes yes yes I look forward to sharing

991
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:44,780
your cleansing area with you in Bend

992
00:38:49,030 --> 00:38:47,210
Oregon in the not-too-distant future I

993
00:38:51,930 --> 00:38:49,040
look forward to doing that again sir

994
00:39:13,780 --> 00:39:06,490
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[Music]

1010
00:40:20,039 --> 00:40:18,400
that's a rainy rainy day here and I find

1011
00:40:21,689 --> 00:40:20,049
myself at darling harbour as you'll know

1012
00:40:22,949 --> 00:40:21,699
not one of my favorite places people but

1013
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:22,959
frankly I thought it was better when it

1014
00:40:26,489 --> 00:40:24,249
was a car park people could drive to

1015
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:26,499
work park cheaply here all day go to

1016
00:40:30,660 --> 00:40:28,930
work and drive back a simpler time but I

1017
00:40:33,449 --> 00:40:30,670
am a simple a person always our wine

1018
00:40:35,219 --> 00:40:33,459
arrives thank you sir thank you it's

1019
00:40:37,289 --> 00:40:35,229
Fiona Patton how are you

1020
00:40:39,539 --> 00:40:37,299
I'm well thanks may not know I have to

1021
00:40:40,499 --> 00:40:39,549
say MLA or there's a initials after you

1022
00:40:42,900 --> 00:40:40,509
name because you are a member of the

1023
00:40:45,089 --> 00:40:42,910
upper house of Victoria that's right and

1024
00:40:47,039 --> 00:40:45,099
no I've said to people that they don't

1025
00:40:49,109 --> 00:40:47,049
need to call me your highness or even

1026
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:49,119
your majesty no simply Fiona will be

1027
00:40:52,739 --> 00:40:51,249
fine I've gotta say you have had an

1028
00:40:54,420 --> 00:40:52,749
uphill battle in your career as a

1029
00:40:55,799 --> 00:40:54,430
politician as the sex party because

1030
00:40:57,569 --> 00:40:55,809
people who go sex party

1031
00:40:59,309 --> 00:40:57,579
sneaky snicker and now you've got the

1032
00:41:00,929 --> 00:40:59,319
reason party because last time I checked

1033
00:41:02,999 --> 00:41:00,939
no one could agree exactly what is

1034
00:41:04,380 --> 00:41:03,009
reasonable in this country well that's

1035
00:41:06,660 --> 00:41:04,390
right and I think I think what we

1036
00:41:08,789 --> 00:41:06,670
possibly all can agree on is that we

1037
00:41:11,069 --> 00:41:08,799
need more reason in this country and we

1038
00:41:14,789 --> 00:41:11,079
probably need more reason in Parliament

1039
00:41:17,069 --> 00:41:14,799
and maybe not so much sex in Parliament

1040
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:17,079
Barnaby Joyce is looking at you I'm it's

1041
00:41:20,039 --> 00:41:18,729
a difficult sell reason and I've got to

1042
00:41:22,380 --> 00:41:20,049
say I do like the fact you're also

1043
00:41:24,900 --> 00:41:22,390
you're big for prisoners rights as well

1044
00:41:27,479 --> 00:41:24,910
and things like that that again a lot of

1045
00:41:29,359 --> 00:41:27,489
politicians that like euthanasia the the

1046
00:41:31,679 --> 00:41:29,369
drug debate of any sort even

1047
00:41:33,989 --> 00:41:31,689
decriminalizing let alone or legalizing

1048
00:41:35,489 --> 00:41:33,999
is just something that there's a brick

1049
00:41:37,769 --> 00:41:35,499
wall in front of now that they see that

1050
00:41:39,479 --> 00:41:37,779
the the voters will just go berserk if

1051
00:41:41,759 --> 00:41:39,489
they try this same with the safe

1052
00:41:43,799 --> 00:41:41,769
injecting rooms yeah you know isn't it

1053
00:41:46,199 --> 00:41:43,809
remarkable when we did uh sister dying

1054
00:41:47,609 --> 00:41:46,209
yeah and the reason we did that was and

1055
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:47,619
it this is part of this notion of

1056
00:41:52,410 --> 00:41:50,170
growing from a lobbyist into this role

1057
00:41:54,900 --> 00:41:52,420
is that you bring the community with you

1058
00:41:57,150 --> 00:41:54,910
and that was what we always learned that

1059
00:41:59,279 --> 00:41:57,160
we did our community attitude polling we

1060
00:42:01,709 --> 00:41:59,289
had that research and that's what we

1061
00:42:03,599 --> 00:42:01,719
talked to the politicians you know we

1062
00:42:05,699 --> 00:42:03,609
took that and we did this with assisted

1063
00:42:07,679 --> 00:42:05,709
dying and we got the community behind us

1064
00:42:09,630 --> 00:42:07,689
the supervisors injecting center it was

1065
00:42:11,999 --> 00:42:09,640
the community that was demanding it it

1066
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:12,009
was the ambulance drivers it was the

1067
00:42:16,380 --> 00:42:14,650
paramedics it was the Salvation Army you

1068
00:42:18,299 --> 00:42:16,390
know it was all of these people

1069
00:42:21,630 --> 00:42:18,309
demanding it and the politicians

1070
00:42:23,910 --> 00:42:21,640
eventually caught up with where the

1071
00:42:24,660 --> 00:42:23,920
community is and again we've seen it in

1072
00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:24,670
marriage equality

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the community has Moo had moved

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here and the government's and

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politicians were still five steps behind

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00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:34,560
them I think it's the same with drugs

1077
00:42:38,510 --> 00:42:36,810
who's a great role models of politician

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00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:38,520
for you I imagine one would not be Henry

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00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:40,050
Kissinger who would be one of your

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00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:41,970
politicians go that's a person who's

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00:42:47,390 --> 00:42:43,650
doing a good job

1082
00:42:50,240 --> 00:42:47,400
Hillary may be Hillary may be that's

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00:42:52,849 --> 00:42:50,250
right you know my go-to at the moment

1084
00:42:58,010 --> 00:42:52,859
because I'm gonna start a campaign that

1085
00:43:01,310 --> 00:42:58,020
was with Warren I'd earn just end up

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00:43:06,050 --> 00:43:01,320
just into a donor night in New Zealand

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Oh New Zealand Prime Minister yeah yes

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00:43:10,970 --> 00:43:09,300
that's right and and yeah but it's funny

1089
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I hear so much great stuff but what

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00:43:14,660 --> 00:43:13,500
she's doing is she beloved nationally in

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00:43:16,370 --> 00:43:14,670
her own country as well because everyone

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00:43:18,530 --> 00:43:16,380
outside the country just loves that yeah

1093
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:18,540
I'm starting up a campaign that I

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00:43:24,950 --> 00:43:21,450
actually want Victoria to grow I want us

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00:43:27,349 --> 00:43:24,960
to buy Tasmania and adopt New Zealand

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and I think Victoria would be it would

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00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:29,130
be beautiful and then we could if we

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00:43:34,099 --> 00:43:30,450
could have just cinder that would be

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just great she's she's the way she has

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dealt with things with compassion and

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00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:39,960
and the way that she has dealt with you

1102
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:43,050
know she hasn't put herself at the front

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00:43:47,060 --> 00:43:45,210
of things she's more interested in in

1104
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:47,070
what her constituents and what her

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00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:48,810
community wants and I think she's a

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00:43:56,240 --> 00:43:52,770
really great role model for many of us

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00:43:58,880 --> 00:43:56,250
and I think Helen Clarke before her you

1108
00:44:02,000 --> 00:43:58,890
know it was another one who didn't take

1109
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:02,010
that kind of combative nature that that

1110
00:44:06,890 --> 00:44:04,410
so many men taking to their politics

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00:44:09,500 --> 00:44:06,900
mm-hmm and I think she did that she has

1112
00:44:11,660 --> 00:44:09,510
done that very well what do you think

1113
00:44:13,310 --> 00:44:11,670
when you see politicians doing holding

1114
00:44:14,930 --> 00:44:13,320
up the Koran and doing videos about bad

1115
00:44:16,580 --> 00:44:14,940
things in the Koran I just thought man

1116
00:44:18,380 --> 00:44:16,590
that is such a bad policy because I

1117
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:18,390
could do one with the Bible you know

1118
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:20,130
it's it's an easy one to do it's the

1119
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:21,930
it's the Bronze Age book of multiple

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00:44:25,250 --> 00:44:23,130
choice both of them you know you could

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00:44:27,620 --> 00:44:25,260
pick the bit you want I look I think

1122
00:44:29,300 --> 00:44:27,630
it's appalling and you know really the

1123
00:44:32,450 --> 00:44:29,310
the less religion has to do with our

1124
00:44:35,060 --> 00:44:32,460
politics the meta as we know it I mean

1125
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:35,070
the one exception for that is you know

1126
00:44:38,660 --> 00:44:36,810
and I when I become a politician I have

1127
00:44:40,850 --> 00:44:38,670
to write what my yo

1128
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:40,860
interests are and have if they might

1129
00:44:46,100 --> 00:44:44,610
impact so Snuka yeah well smoke okay I

1130
00:44:49,460 --> 00:44:46,110
have to say I'm a member of the Swans

1131
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:49,470
the Oh club or I am and that's not a

1132
00:44:52,700 --> 00:44:50,850
good thing in Victoria to say that but

1133
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:52,710
is it actually these in my region cuz I

1134
00:44:58,730 --> 00:44:56,490
have six AFL clubs in my region so I go

1135
00:45:00,890 --> 00:44:58,740
for the Sydney team who died young but

1136
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:00,900
we have to put up those you know

1137
00:45:04,850 --> 00:45:02,610
interest whether we hold shares in

1138
00:45:07,820 --> 00:45:04,860
certain companies I want them all to

1139
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:07,830
tell me what church they go to tell me

1140
00:45:12,260 --> 00:45:10,410
what religion they support so very well

1141
00:45:15,550 --> 00:45:12,270
tell me what football club you support

1142
00:45:20,210 --> 00:45:15,560
but more often than not your decisions

1143
00:45:21,620 --> 00:45:20,220
around certain legislation whether it's

1144
00:45:24,230 --> 00:45:21,630
around religious freedom or whether it's

1145
00:45:28,790 --> 00:45:24,240
around a sister dying or is actually

1146
00:45:31,190 --> 00:45:28,800
heavily influenced by the religion that

1147
00:45:34,010 --> 00:45:31,200
is ostensibly guiding you

1148
00:45:35,660 --> 00:45:34,020
so Catholic you could probably take a

1149
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:35,670
guess at what the hell they might go on

1150
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:37,530
certain issues I want them to declare

1151
00:45:42,670 --> 00:45:40,530
that I want them to declare what church

1152
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:42,680
they belong to what religious

1153
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:45,450
affiliation they have rather than their

1154
00:45:49,850 --> 00:45:47,370
football affiliations or their business

1155
00:45:53,780 --> 00:45:49,860
affiliations I think we'll the the

1156
00:45:56,690 --> 00:45:53,790
influence of religion is still so deeply

1157
00:45:59,960 --> 00:45:56,700
ingrained and permissible in our

1158
00:46:01,370 --> 00:45:59,970
Parliament that that's that's got to

1159
00:46:04,220 --> 00:46:01,380
change and it's got to be called out

1160
00:46:06,170 --> 00:46:04,230
with a reason party people have oh I

1161
00:46:07,970 --> 00:46:06,180
think less immigration is reasonable

1162
00:46:09,620 --> 00:46:07,980
people could say I think any immigration

1163
00:46:12,590 --> 00:46:09,630
is reasonable you have people are giving

1164
00:46:14,990 --> 00:46:12,600
like that and and again let's go back to

1165
00:46:17,210 --> 00:46:15,000
what you know let's let's go back to the

1166
00:46:18,940 --> 00:46:17,220
research let's go back to evidence let's

1167
00:46:20,810 --> 00:46:18,950
go back to the fact that we've got

1168
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:20,820
you're calling for evidence-based

1169
00:46:30,500 --> 00:46:28,050
policies but I think it's reasonable

1170
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:30,510
that we look at the evidence and you

1171
00:46:38,210 --> 00:46:34,770
know we know that a lot of our regional

1172
00:46:39,890 --> 00:46:38,220
communities are struggling so why are we

1173
00:46:41,990 --> 00:46:39,900
spending billions of dollars from Manus

1174
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:42,000
Island when we could be spending that

1175
00:46:47,420 --> 00:46:45,330
money in Mildura in Davao in in

1176
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:47,430
communities that are either that are

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00:46:50,730 --> 00:46:49,770
struggling for for climate reasons or

1178
00:46:52,710 --> 00:46:50,740
for whatever reason

1179
00:46:55,770 --> 00:46:52,720
you know there's there's so many things

1180
00:46:57,810 --> 00:46:55,780
that we could do if we were willing to

1181
00:46:59,700 --> 00:46:57,820
speak from a from a more compassionate

1182
00:47:02,820 --> 00:46:59,710
area and but definitely from an

1183
00:47:04,530 --> 00:47:02,830
evidence-based Center well look the

1184
00:47:06,359 --> 00:47:04,540
greatest issue the best problem facing

1185
00:47:07,230 --> 00:47:06,369
Victorian if you get reelected the upper

1186
00:47:09,359 --> 00:47:07,240
house what are you gonna do about

1187
00:47:11,130 --> 00:47:09,369
hipsters in Northcote they're riding

1188
00:47:12,930 --> 00:47:11,140
around on penny farthing bicycles

1189
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:12,940
they're wearing pith helmets really it's

1190
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:14,410
getting a bit out of control hipsters in

1191
00:47:18,330 --> 00:47:15,850
Northcote what are you going to do Fiona

1192
00:47:21,180 --> 00:47:18,340
baton well no they're like bolt they

1193
00:47:26,220 --> 00:47:21,190
wake up and say in saying it's your

1194
00:47:28,890 --> 00:47:26,230
fault yeah I look it's some of it is

1195
00:47:30,720 --> 00:47:28,900
beyond my control and you know I'm all

1196
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:30,730
for people expressing themselves and

1197
00:47:34,890 --> 00:47:33,490
whatever where they can sadly for many

1198
00:47:38,910 --> 00:47:34,900
of those hipsters they can no longer

1199
00:47:41,010 --> 00:47:38,920
afford to live in North gets so I know

1200
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:41,020
we're seeing hipsters in reservoir which

1201
00:47:45,570 --> 00:47:42,610
I can tell you well that's not gonna win

1202
00:47:47,850 --> 00:47:45,580
that was yes there is a bit of

1203
00:47:50,300 --> 00:47:47,860
scratching of heads in the end reservoir

1204
00:47:53,340 --> 00:47:50,310
I you know there's a little bit of that

1205
00:47:57,690 --> 00:47:53,350
you know Romeo and Juliet notion

1206
00:48:00,690 --> 00:47:57,700
cultures cultures up there but yes no

1207
00:48:02,790 --> 00:48:00,700
the hipsters of Northcote their ageing

1208
00:48:05,550 --> 00:48:02,800
I'm afraid to say Maynard you know and

1209
00:48:07,260 --> 00:48:05,560
they're you know as they as they get

1210
00:48:08,790 --> 00:48:07,270
older they're moving to resevoir they're

1211
00:48:12,740 --> 00:48:08,800
moving to Preston they're moving to

1212
00:48:15,180 --> 00:48:12,750
Pascoe Vale and rescue vile Pascoe Vale

1213
00:48:16,020 --> 00:48:15,190
far it's been great talking to you and

1214
00:48:18,210 --> 00:48:16,030
if people want to find out more about

1215
00:48:19,710 --> 00:48:18,220
the reason party or indeed they can read

1216
00:48:20,790 --> 00:48:19,720
your book their sex drugs and nectar

1217
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:20,800
roll to find out what you're all about

1218
00:48:24,090 --> 00:48:22,930
easily but where's the website they can

1219
00:48:25,349 --> 00:48:24,100
get in contact with you find out more

1220
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:25,359
about the party or even start an

1221
00:48:29,220 --> 00:48:26,530
argument with you like a lot of people

1222
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:29,230
seem to like doing yes reason all day

1223
00:48:34,170 --> 00:48:32,410
you you can find everything about us and

1224
00:48:36,420 --> 00:48:34,180
you can yell at us all you like you know

1225
00:48:38,430 --> 00:48:36,430
on all the various social media Jonah

1226
00:48:40,230 --> 00:48:38,440
Patton thank you and good luck with good

1227
00:48:41,310 --> 00:48:40,240
luck with reason I know it's a hard slog

1228
00:48:42,890 --> 00:48:41,320
but good luck with it

1229
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:42,900
yeah thank you mayor thank you

1230
00:48:55,470 --> 00:48:51,930
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1231
00:48:57,410 --> 00:48:55,480
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00:49:00,289 --> 00:48:57,420
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00:49:02,819 --> 00:49:00,299
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1235
00:49:08,579 --> 00:49:05,500
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1236
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1237
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00:49:16,950 --> 00:49:13,359
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00:50:11,700 --> 00:50:09,000
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00:51:17,340 --> 00:51:14,710
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00:51:20,850 --> 00:51:17,350
at skeptic on he chats to Lee Murray the

1279
00:51:23,940 --> 00:51:20,860
linguist she gave a really interesting

1280
00:51:25,740 --> 00:51:23,950
presentation at the convention we've had

1281
00:51:29,460 --> 00:51:25,750
Lee on the show some weeks ago talking

1282
00:51:31,350 --> 00:51:29,470
about linguistics and it's just

1283
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fascinating as one of those subjects I

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00:51:36,690 --> 00:51:34,600
really really deeply enjoy hearing about

1285
00:51:40,260 --> 00:51:36,700
linguistics with Lee Murray coming up on

1286
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:40,270
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1287
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also more with dr. pamela game she was

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very generous with her time chatting to

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pamela gay our favorite astronomer oh

1291
00:52:00,750 --> 00:51:56,920
hello I think I hear Henrietta sneaking

1292
00:52:02,010 --> 00:52:00,760
around the door hello Henrietta you just

1293
00:52:04,470 --> 00:52:02,020
have to take my word for it because they

1294
00:52:09,329 --> 00:52:04,480
don't actually meow much of what are you

1295
00:52:13,559 --> 00:52:09,339
doing no there's no breakfast in here

1296
00:52:17,599 --> 00:52:13,569
I think I think she's trying to tell me

1297
00:52:19,799 --> 00:52:17,609
something anyway with Henrietta the cat

1298
00:52:21,660 --> 00:52:19,809
coming around the chair here at the

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00:52:23,729 --> 00:52:21,670
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okay I guess I'm ready you're at you and

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you're running I'm running yes hmm

1319
00:53:37,420 --> 00:53:33,710
one two one two one two here we go

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and joining me now all the way from its

1321
00:53:46,090 --> 00:53:42,140
creaky chair okay

1322
00:53:50,500 --> 00:53:46,100
let's go try that again and now the

1323
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:50,510
plane comes you know what you know what

1324
00:53:54,670 --> 00:53:52,130
before we do this let's play the dice

1325
00:53:56,859 --> 00:53:54,680
game that I hi folks listening at the

1326
00:53:58,540 --> 00:53:56,869
end of the show after the music I've got

1327
00:54:00,400 --> 00:53:58,550
Brian Dunning who you heard earlier in

1328
00:54:03,580 --> 00:54:00,410
the show and we're gonna play the Bryce

1329
00:54:05,859 --> 00:54:03,590
the Bryce game the dice game with Brian

1330
00:54:07,270 --> 00:54:05,869
Dunning Brian I've got a 10 sided die in

1331
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:07,280
front of me I'm going to roll it in a

1332
00:54:12,130 --> 00:54:09,890
minute three times and it's up to you to

1333
00:54:15,300 --> 00:54:12,140
use your international psychic abilities

1334
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:15,310
to predict across the Pacific Ocean and

1335
00:54:22,540 --> 00:54:18,650
I just turned this game down a little

1336
00:54:25,030 --> 00:54:22,550
bit there we go and see if you can guess

1337
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:25,040
will predict what numbers going to come

1338
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:29,170
up so one three and five no no you know

1339
00:54:34,990 --> 00:54:33,770
what it's not about the idea one three

1340
00:54:38,740 --> 00:54:35,000
and five yes

1341
00:54:41,230 --> 00:54:38,750
all right here we go I'm gonna roll it

1342
00:54:41,770 --> 00:54:41,240
the first time and you have to trust me

1343
00:54:45,460 --> 00:54:41,780
on this

1344
00:54:47,170 --> 00:54:45,470
the first number folks is four that's

1345
00:54:51,190 --> 00:54:47,180
the average of three and five so that's

1346
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:51,200
a hit I see the next number I'm rolling

1347
00:55:01,180 --> 00:54:55,970
it now five Wow

1348
00:55:05,650 --> 00:55:01,190
this is spooky huh the last number here

1349
00:55:07,210 --> 00:55:05,660
we go whoo eight god I was just gonna

1350
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:07,220
say eight because we hadn't gotten to

1351
00:55:11,890 --> 00:55:09,770
the three yet the first number I picked

1352
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:11,900
one three and five the first number was

1353
00:55:17,170 --> 00:55:14,810
four which is five minus one second

1354
00:55:20,410 --> 00:55:17,180
number was five which was by my third

1355
00:55:23,050 --> 00:55:20,420
guess the third number was eight which

1356
00:55:25,090 --> 00:55:23,060
is the three plus the five so that's

1357
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:25,100
incredibly I take it then you'll be

1358
00:55:29,740 --> 00:55:26,890
applying for the Australian skeptic so

1359
00:55:31,240 --> 00:55:29,750
$100,000 psychic prize I'm not sure an

1360
00:55:33,990 --> 00:55:31,250
application is needed wasn't that